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all right

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welcome to the show James thank you for

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having me on it's it's so great to meet

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you here in person it's really really

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great come you have this wonderful

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energy that I'm so glad you're involved

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in this because you just have a great

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attitude and as I told you earlier

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my two favorite films and actually what

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really got me going and paying attention

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to this is out of the blue and I know

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what I saw those two films are great and

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now let's talk about what you're doing

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now and what's coming out well thank you

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for that

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I appreciate it it's always nice to hear

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that you know it's nice to hear when

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people appreciate the work you're doing

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because sometimes you kind of forget

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that there are others out there

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supporting you and and appreciating your

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work and so I always enjoy hearing that

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so thank you sure yeah

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let's okay before I get into the

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phenomenon I think I presented this

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yesterday at the conference but I always

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felt that the previous productions while

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they're good and I still stand by in

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them decades later they could have been

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better

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I felt that I just didn't quite meet the

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mark might so I always felt that I could

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have done better I didn't meet the mark

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when you set out to do a documentary you

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kind of have this idea of how it's going

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to materialize like yeah this is a

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certain vision of what it's going to

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look like at the end and it I never

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quite met made it with the with the

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first couple of films I did close and I

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was even know out of the blue seems to

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be more popular online I felt that

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although it's held up well over time I

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felt that I know what I saw was closer

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to what I was trying to accomplish but I

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still fell short I took notes mental

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notes during those times of rejection

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for a theatrical release with with I

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know what I saw and I'm

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we're thinking to myself in 2009 I'm not

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gonna make this mistake again but at the

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end of a long production you're kind of

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it's like the winds out of your sails

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the last thing you can think about is

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like jumping back into another one you

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know you just you know what it takes to

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put these things out and it's a huge

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commitment and a tremendous amount of

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focus and fundraising and work and so

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you want to get it right how many years

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would you say because I remember it had

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a different title a number of years ago

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7:01 was it yes and so that how many

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years in production has descent actually

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about six years

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so anyway getting back to it when we

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decided to move forward with this

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production I wanted to set my my sights

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high I wanted to include to look like 60

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minutes high-level production quality

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good camerawork professional audio

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lighting of course I do camera and audio

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and editing myself as well but but to

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really do it right you need the pros and

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you can't do it all yourself I mean and

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get that look and get the kind of

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results that you're looking for I wanted

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the UFOs to have to be treated like 60

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minutes I wanted all the interviews to

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look like 60 minutes I want the light

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him to look like 60 minutes

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I wanted the audio to sound like 60

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minutes that's expensive and you know

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and I was I was not going to settle for

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anything less and there were there were

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periods during the production of this

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movie where I ran out of money and I

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just had to wait until I generated more

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money because I wasn't just gonna fill

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the gap fill the void and by doing what

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production so that's what we did with

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the phenomenon we also got very

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fortunate to to have the likes of Jaco

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LA as consultants Thank You Lee Spiegel

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for that by the way that's really helped

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us put the pieces of the puzzle together

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in a way that you know according to Jean

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has never been done and I feel the same

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while we're covering some familiar

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material we're doing it in a new light a

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new angle new interviews

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and with a different twist with more

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reality of what was going on behind the

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scenes did you kind of take on a life of

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its own like through morphing or did you

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have up like a set plan right from the

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very beginning oh they always take a

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life of their own I mean things you know

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mean we could have never predicted that

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the front page of the New York Times

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would have exposed a temp I mean we had

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no idea that was going on I was I was

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hanging out with Bob with Bigelow in

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2010 when that was in full swing right

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he's already got the contracts and that

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was go never told me about any of that

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stuff

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of course not he's super secretive 2010

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kids for this is I'm laughing right now

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I said whose side are you on like who do

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you really work for I mean he's kind of

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laughing you know excuse me but it's

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it's funny it's ironic that you know a

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tip came out so that was another year

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and a half a production we went after

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Harry Reid we went after Podesta we went

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after flavor and New York Times and you

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know we wanted to cover that whole story

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was a big deal you know and so we did

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and and since then even more stuff's

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been coming out so even right down to

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the last minute I'm I was like II

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talking to that gentleman rights for

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political Byron I think it was its BB

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bender yeah so I was talking to Brian

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bender about you know possibly get an

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interview with one of the congressmen

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that's been frustrated and feels that

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the Navy hasn't been totally forthcoming

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even though they have made some pretty

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powerful statements that they're still

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hiding stuff potentially anyway so that

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could be a latest update so I might

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actually go to Washington and do that

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you know write down the last minute of

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course you know Mazal get the latest

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stuff it in there the last minute so um

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so yeah it's constantly evolving and and

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and and changing and and and getting

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better how would you want to make a stab

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section in Africa it was the most

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expensive production I've ever done and

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thousand hours to edit the ten minutes

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oh yeah we went through we went through

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hundreds of hours of material and then

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dr. John Mac had done we had interviews

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adults with all the archived stuff and

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entire story in ten minutes it was

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extremely challenging and I would say

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easily a thousand hours and I had three

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or four different guys myself included

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working on it every every step of the

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process and and you know I had people

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say oh I really want to come into the

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out job two and they come in there and I

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blink you've missed about a week's work

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if you tie your shoe you missed a

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month's work I tell people that like I

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want to pin people's eyes open when

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they're watching me like don't miss

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anything you know I've spent so much

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time doing this but would you be willing

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didn't even have funding yet just

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promise of funding and I was just

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adamantly wanting to go after Colonel

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pilot he was a public information

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officer project Bluebook

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and in 1955 he had this incredibly

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dramatic encounter with a flying saucer

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over Alabama with three engineers to

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Allison engines and Lockheed Martin I

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believe and it was a it was a nine

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minute long encounter it got to the

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point where they're almost gonna collide

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with this thing I mean it's a phenomenal

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credible observer who later you know was

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project project Bluebook spokesman you

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know it's like anyway during the and I

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can't remember I kept telling my funder

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I was like we gotta go he's like well

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we're gonna formulate a plan we gotta

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get this guy on camera he's 90 years old

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we gotta go you know I don't we can't

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wait like you know there's a couple

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people that I just absolutely put my

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foot down and he was one of them and and

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in the middle of the interview I turned

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to my camera guy this guy David West and

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I said Dave this is going to be the

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opening seat of the movie and he's like

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yes it is and we you know of course

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we're gonna have to raise the money and

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plane and it has a big deal ground crew

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mean as soon as those propellers start

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up that plane is you don't even want to

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know like how expensive it was yeah

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plane well was the night it was a

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twin-engine and it's the opening scene

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of the whole movie

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it starts off with this really dramatic

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because it's really cool you go see a

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James Bond film and it opens up with

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this really dramatic chase scene there's

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no credits or anything it's it's like

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you're in it you know I mean and it's

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like okay that got my attention that was

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kind of our whole it you know it's a

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really exciting dramatic encounter but

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it's also relevant in the bigger picture

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you know yeah they never were able to

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explain it when he became a public

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spokesman for a project Bluebook the

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first thing he did was went to go find

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out you know where his encounter was of

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course it wasn't there could you say

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it's not between the cracks mmm I don't

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know but uh yeah so anyway so that's the

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opening scene to the film yeah

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does he had any time talk about anything

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really interesting about project

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Bluebook that you were unaware of uh

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yeah I mean he talks about the fact that

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budget Blue Book when they closed made

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some bogus statements that were

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inaccurate and we addressed that in the

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film yeah and he talks about you know

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they were never able to determine what

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these things were means I got to know

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what they've done since but you know I

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and I think it's interesting that they

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were all it was 1955 Blue Book was in

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full swing

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they were all debriefed independently of

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one another it each and every witness

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remember these are engineers and pilots

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and they had this dramatic encounter

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where they thought at one point they're

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gonna collide with this thing and they

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were a tree top flying flat out at

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treetop level in a b25 in 1955 over

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Alabama with a disc in front of them

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that was unrecognizable to all members

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on board and at one point he literally

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said I thought was gonna hit the thing

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and I had to do an evasive action and

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come up and try to get along the side of

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it and then it was just it was just

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going across this plowed field and dirt

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was swirls coming up on the other side

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of it was going across this look another

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thing going the hell is this was he

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actually was he actually tracking it was

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he following it they it was all visual

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so they they saw it it like 9,000 feet

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or something and it came down across

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their flight path and then they chased

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it because they went right to treetop

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yes that's risky right yes yeah and what

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was it like he said he was in today to

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do that reenactment oh yeah I was

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talking to a couple of different guys

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and I said right off the bat I said look

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if you guys can't fly treetop level flat

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out then we can't do this dude

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he's like yeah I think we could do that

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we had to come in or this oh this area

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and you know we only had he's like we

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only have about three passes because you

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guys better get this because you know

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we're not really not supposed to be

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doing this we came out of this car I'm

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in the nosecone I'm in the little glass

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bubble we're coming down over these

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trees and there was incredible them I

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didn't even tell anybody that I was

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doing it because I was worried that

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people were gonna you know it was a

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little risky but pretty scary but it's a

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really dramatic opening I hope people

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appreciate it I think they will instead

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of trailer available online at this

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point or will be no it will be soon up

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probably I don't know maybe a month or

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so yeah something like that yeah all

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right can you tell us what kind of

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places you went to to do this film how

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many different you into China yes mm-hmm

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yeah yeah so we wanted to really

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mosquito a little water here um

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we wanted to really once again

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demonstrate the global nature of the

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phenomenon and so we went all around the

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world I mean we went to uh we spent

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probably the better part of a month in

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in China with her twice I went all

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across China with a crew and we went to

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Australia spend a month in Australia I

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went to Africa and I remember at the

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time and I'd done all the interviews and

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gotten the archive footage of the

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landing of that case Andrew Zimbabwe and

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then I was like I need to go to Africa

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and my my sponsors were like well you

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really need to go to Africa like why

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didn't you could have her mic happen in

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Africa I gotta go you know of course it

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was the best thing I ever did because I

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got the teacher on camera I'm more of

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the students and I got to go to the

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actual site where it happened

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you know and see that so over South

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America four times and then all across

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the United States going back to Africa

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what was the teacher like in reaction to

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the incident she she was apologetic she

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admitted on camera that she had lied

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because she was more concerned about her

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career than she was about what really

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happened and that she wanted to

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apologize to the children Wow but no

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teachers as far as I when I she was

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teacher and she saw it oh wow

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that is that's a bombshell yeah yep yeah

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because according to even the student

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said I've talked to they didn't pick the

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teacher knew well you know the whole

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community around that area and even

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Harare and Rua

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itself had witnessed the UFOs in the

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news we and we report on that in the you

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know a lot of adults saw the object the

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children saw the objects land but a lots

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of adults saw the UFO and it was even

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filmed

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I don't know nine seconds at night it

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looks just like a little cigar thing he

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stuck terribly impressive but it's

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footage it was on the news and we have

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it in the film so so I consider that one

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of the top cases myself yeah you know

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I'm just a fascinating case do you want

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to talk about some of the Cape other

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cases in particular like um I really

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can't think of any cases in China but I

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know there a lot of them one of the

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things that I was impressed with was

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that well first of all any UF

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organisation in China has to be official

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stamp of approval from the government

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and sort of a tacit yes we we support

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what you're doing but I learned about

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this Hmong Jaguar case it also happened

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in 1994 and there were a couple people

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that outside of a village that I guess a

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lot of people in the village saw this

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thing either landing or landed and a

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couple of guys scaled up the

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mountainside and came in contact with

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allegedly came in contact with the beans

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and they had received the same

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environmental message as the children

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had received in Africa in the same year

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yes well very interesting Shane Ryan was

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incredibly absolutely instrumental in

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making all that happen

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and James Rigney and a handful of other

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people in in in Australia were

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incredibly supportive and helpful and we

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were there like I said for about a month

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worked on the case for about three weeks

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I took a little time off up at Port

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Douglas but went on some pretty big you

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know shows and we've got some good news

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coverage and I was on a radio talk show

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and I didn't have time to follow up on

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this I'm hoping that Shane Ryan followed

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up on it but you know we interviewed

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witnesses that saw the UFO land we

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interviewed a gentleman who took a

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photograph of what was probably the

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object 17 kilometers away two days

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earlier and we have we got our hands on

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that photograph for the first time but

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there was a guy that called in on the

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radio that apparently went to the school

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it got to the trees a bit sooner than

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then these other witnesses because the

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object was flying over the school

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there's what roughly I think was like

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10:30 the morning something like that

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and

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was roughly 365 witnesses all outside

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watching it including the teachers and

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and then the object was just you know it

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appear here and over here so some of the

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students were like I think there was two

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some of them are like I was just one it

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wasn't sure but there were 300 plus

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people outside watching this in broad

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daylight

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then the object goes off excuse me

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behind a field and lands some of the

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students jumped the fence went over to

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where it landed well the guy phoned in

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and said that there was a a being

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dressed in white that was outside in the

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forest outside of the craft but but we

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never got to follow up on that so maybe

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that may be big maybe it might have been

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in close encounter of the Third Kind but

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the students that I did talk to actually

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walked up to the craft that was sitting

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on the ground got within 12 feet of it I

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mean right there man can you imagine and

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talk about a surreal moment and very you

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know as a researcher and someone who's

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gone out and interviewed a lot of people

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for a long time having someone get that

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close to a landed flying saucer is

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pretty rare that you hear those stories

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you know use these like I think I saw it

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like way off and then this was like

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right there

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if you speculate a little bit I do I do

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the the UFO that was seen in Africa a

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lot of times you get these sightings

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over a several like a week period or

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several days they'll be sightings in an

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area and then why did it choose the land

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or make contact with students and I can

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only speculate that but to me I would

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say that they're the most benign

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presence would be children I mean if I

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were to make contact I would probably

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make an assessment as so you know we you

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know military shoots of these things

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right so we're very hostile posture

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towards anything we can't identify the

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children just you know this date the

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some of the children had told me and I

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think I mentioned this yesterday my talk

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there are these wouldn't like poles like

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telephone poles almost

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sides that would define the outer

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perimeter of the playground and the

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children weren't allowed to go beyond

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those poles because the fields were not

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mode and there's deadly snakes and

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spiders and so they were you know really

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not supposed to go beyond that point but

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they would go right to the edge and they

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would dance along the tops of these

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poles and some of the children had

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mentioned had said to me as adults that

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the beings were mimicking the children

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playing on the on the poles they were

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sort of dancing along the side like they

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were mimicking their character they were

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just plain having fun it was like

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totally benign encounter so it's just

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you know that really struck a chord with

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me because you know children are pretty

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innocent and-and-and harmless right and

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so maybe they made again I'm speculating

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here but maybe they made that

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determination that that's why they went

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and landed with the children I also

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think they're impressionable too and you

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hear about these well and for instance

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in the African case you hear about the

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possible telepathy that they may have

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received in taking care of the planet

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yes I think that's a very big message

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and one that's actually fits you know

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very well today very very much so yeah

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yeah very much so is interesting message

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yes so James tell tell everyone about

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the film word when can we expect to see

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it and I'll say one more one more

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quickly thing on since we're on the

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topic of the message is that when I met

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with Senator Harry Reid one of the

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things that he said to me was one of the

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more alarming aspects of the phenomenon

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that they had uncovered it during their

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investigations with a tip was they would

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come over these nuclear-tipped missile

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sites and disarm our weapons and and

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Senator Harry Reid said on camera if if

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the president had called the launch he

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couldn't have done it so I decided to go

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back and you talk about the film

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changing and revisit some of those

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testimonies so I contacted Robert

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Hastings and I heat son extensive work

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on the on the he opened up his entire

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library to me and we put together a

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really powerful ten

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segment dealing with UFOs and nukes in

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the piece and launch officer Robert

543
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Salas makes a very poignant statement at

544
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the end of all this incredible testimony

545
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and he said the message to me seems

546
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pretty clear what are you guys doing

547
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with nuclear weapons makes a lot of

548
00:22:33,190 --> 00:22:30,050
sense yeah so can you tell us about when

549
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we can expect the movie out yeah so the

550
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the movie is coming out in the spring

551
00:22:43,570 --> 00:22:40,580
there will be trailers and websites

552
00:22:45,610 --> 00:22:43,580
dedicated to it we there's PR company in

553
00:22:47,530 --> 00:22:45,620
both New York and in Los Angeles that

554
00:22:48,570 --> 00:22:47,540
are working on putting together PR for

555
00:22:50,350 --> 00:22:48,580
it we're working on that now

556
00:22:51,550 --> 00:22:50,360
simultaneously wrapping up the film

557
00:22:53,470 --> 00:22:51,560
trying to make it as good as we possibly

558
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can trip me a few things down tightening

559
00:22:57,130 --> 00:22:55,310
up the end a little bit there's motion

560
00:22:58,810 --> 00:22:57,140
graphics and color Corrections and sound

561
00:23:00,100 --> 00:22:58,820
mixing that still need to be done we're

562
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working around the clock seven days a

563
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week but there will be updates and

564
00:23:06,970 --> 00:23:04,790
trailers coming out soon this year yeah

565
00:23:08,290 --> 00:23:06,980
that's great so I understand in the

566
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credits at the very end of the credits

567
00:23:16,150 --> 00:23:11,180
that says a film by Lee Spiegel and big

568
00:23:20,110 --> 00:23:16,160
letter I think it's gonna just say Lee

569
00:23:25,390 --> 00:23:20,120
Spiegel thanks so much thanks for having

570
00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:25,400
me on thanks so much it's been a real